Subject	I disagree
Posted by	Marshall on October 21, 2003 at 1:31 PM
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In Reply To	Hear me now: posted by therinL on October 21, 2003 at 01:13 PM
Message	:Not sure when it was written but from an analysis standpoint, that quote is dead on, regardless of time frame for lag. Unless you are building full boost at idle, then it *will* take some period of time to get there from where you are at. RPM is irrelevant. Technology has improved and that spool time may be getting smaller and smaller. But its still there. And until turbos act like superchargers and produce boost at idle, that wont change. I've read a bit of Corky Bell's book, and it's a good book for a novice, but is garbage for anyone looking for some correct logic. Also, superchargers do *not* build full boost at idle, contrary to what people say. Think about it- a supercharger is gear driven, and at idle that gear will be driven slowly. Only at maximum RPM's will you have full boost. So you'll have a progressive increase in boost going from idle to redline. A turbo is exhaust gas driven and can reach full boost before max rpm.
Follow Ups	Greg D's manifolds: - FASBLCK 12:19:27 10/21/03 I'd like to see a dyno chart, if Greg has them. - Spee 12:22:20 10/21/03 I think he does...if not, he'll have more soon. - SeedyROM 15:50:23 10/21/03 yep.. here's the chart - fourZero 15:56:19 10/21/03 There it is. Sick. (n/m) - SeedyROM 16:40:16 10/21/03 niceness (n/m) - Spee 18:22:46 10/21/03 Concerns. - Stealth021 12:23:39 10/21/03 Re: Concerns. - FASBLCK 12:38:07 10/21/03 inconel - Marshall 15:24:27 10/21/03 I think he meant exhaust are approx 1,600 max - Stealth021 15:34:16 10/21/03 if your EGTs reach 1600*, you have much bigger problems (n/m) - fourZero 15:47:42 10/21/03 Units people, units! 1600 degrees F is about right. (n/m) - Chip(GMS Racing) 17:25:12 10/21/03 ROTFLMMFAO (first time I've used that) 16000 degrees - Scotts94z32 17:48:33 10/21/03 The Material is Inconel 625 ...It is good for over 1800 deg. (n/m) - Specialty-Z 22:09:34 10/21/03 inconel manifolds and TD05 on pump gas will not get u 600hp - KILLR300ZX 13:59:53 10/21/03 Killr, ok, answer this then - Stealth021 14:35:30 10/21/03 Corky Bell said it best: - therinL 12:30:18 10/21/03 Re: Corky Bell said it best: - FASBLCK 12:45:43 10/21/03 Ive seen Sebs dynos...I still want to see your before/after (n/m) - therinL 13:03:41 10/21/03 Re: Ive seen Sebs dynos...I still want to see your before/after - FASBLCK 13:11:10 10/21/03 Oh well... - therinL 13:15:55 10/21/03 CB isn't necessarily "the best" or "the man", but it's - Scotts94z32 17:53:48 10/21/03 one Caveat; When was Corkys book(s) written? - ni[X]it 13:06:25 10/21/03 Hear me now: - therinL 13:13:42 10/21/03 Re: Hear me now: - FASBLCK 13:24:43 10/21/03 In relative terms, Corky's quote could be percieved as - BigTDogg (MA) 13:27:58 10/21/03 "Real-world lag", like nicholas said, is subjectivee...Read: - therinL 13:33:09 10/21/03 You must have been potty trained at gun point because - BigTDogg (MA) 13:42:06 10/21/03 Ill take that as a compliment =) (n/m) - therinL 13:44:17 10/21/03 BTW...I think its because both my parents are psychologists (n/m) - therinL 13:45:32 10/21/03 Your parents are psychotic all right! =) - Stealth021 14:40:53 10/21/03 lol...I think they are! =) - therinL 15:18:17 10/21/03 I disagree - Marshall 13:31:08 10/21/03 There are a few different types of supercharger designs but: - therinL 13:35:32 10/21/03 Nail on the head about Corky Bell - SeedyROM 15:51:45 10/21/03 Re: one Caveat; When was Corkys book(s) written? - FASBLCK 13:21:26 10/21/03 Actually, Corky LITERALLY wrote the book on turbos. (n/m) - ni[X]it 13:23:10 10/21/03 I didn't like Corky's book at all. - Marshall 14:07:08 10/21/03 Thats not a mathematical flaw, its conceptual: - therinL 14:16:14 10/21/03 I'm not even arguing with his concept, just his math. - Marshall 14:37:25 10/21/03 In that respect, you are correct. (n/m) - Chip(GMS Racing) 14:57:36 10/21/03 You are looking at it wrong>>> - safZ 18:05:28 10/21/03 You're looking at it wrong. - Marshall 21:21:34 10/21/03 Re: I'm not even arguing with his concept, just his math. - Nukez 19:08:24 10/21/03 I simply solved the problem as he wrote it out. - Marshall 21:25:00 10/21/03 check my sig (n/m) - Scotts94z32 17:50:03 10/21/03 Dyno numbers talk , butt dyno's walk (n/m) - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 15:07:50 10/21/03 WTF is a Butt Dyno???? (n/m) - BigTDogg (MA) 16:03:05 10/21/03 I bought this part for $x and it "feels" faster now. (n/m) - YugoBernie (NoVA) 18:49:11 10/21/03 Some inconel facts. - ZHOUND 16:55:48 10/21/03 depending on the type/grade of inconel and impurity limits - Scotts94z32 18:02:53 10/21/03 The Material is 625 Inconel..... - Specialty-Z 22:17:51 10/21/03 Re: The Material is 625 Inconel..... - Nukez 15:33:29 10/22/03 Re: Some inconel facts. - Nukez 19:36:50 10/21/03 I need to clear something up here. - Marshall 21:57:57 10/21/03 now you have it correctly. (n/m) - Scotts94z32 12:55:57 10/22/03 Re: I need to clear something up here. - Nukez 15:06:43 10/22/03 Tell you friend congrats on the championship, but - NSANY(ATL) 08:00:02 10/22/03
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